{"id":1936,"date":"2015-10-22T19:35:36","date_gmt":"2015-10-23T01:35:36","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/haveblue.org\/?p=1936"},"modified":"2015-10-22T19:35:36","modified_gmt":"2015-10-23T01:35:36","slug":"gunsmithing-the-ras-12-part-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/haveblue.org\/?p=1936","title":{"rendered":"Gunsmithing the RAS-12 &#8211; Part 1"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>\t\t\t\tIt&#8217;s no secret that I have a penchant for oddball guns, be they <a href=\"http:\/\/docsmachine.com\/tech\/satco700.html\">paintball marker<\/a> or <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/KRISS_Vector\">firearm<\/a>.\u00a0 Seeing a design that&#8217;s off the beaten path is always enjoyable, be it for mechanical ingenuity or sheer impractical novelty (though usually a peculiar blend of both).\u00a0 During a recent visit to my friendly local <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Federal_Firearms_License\">FFL<\/a> (always good for a rousing discussion and perhaps lightening of my wallet) a friend and I perused a distributor&#8217;s sale flyer and immediately spotted an intriguing item &#8211; a <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Gauge_%28bore_diameter%29\">12ga<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thefirearmblog.com\/blog\/2014\/01\/19\/gun-review-intrepid-tactical-solutions-ras-12-shotgun\/\">shotgun upper for AR-10 lowers<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>For those unfamiliar with the <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/AR-10\">AR-10<\/a>, it is the bigger, older brother to the <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/AR-15\">AR-15<\/a> rifle.\u00a0 In fact, much of what was considered new or novel at the time of the AR-15&#8217;s introduction is properly credited to the earlier AR-10 design.\u00a0 Unfortunately, there is far less standardization on the AR-10 platform than there is on the AR-15.\u00a0 <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Eugene_Stoner\">Eugene Stoner<\/a> actually updated his AR-10 design decades later to have much greater commonality with AR-15 parts (resulting in the <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/SR-25\">KAC SR-25<\/a>), while <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/ArmaLite\">Armalite<\/a> (not the original Armalite that actually developed the AR-10, just somebody who bought the name and rights) developed the AR-10B using an upper from an SR-25, and somehow <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/DPMS_Panther_Arms\">DPMS<\/a> came up with a mashup of these designs, and then&#8230;\u00a0 &#8230;yeah, I don&#8217;t really understand it all either.\u00a0 We&#8217;re left with saying &#8216;AR-10&#8217; as a generic terminology for something that looks like an AR-15 but fires a .308 round &#8211; as someone once wryly observed, &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/xkcd.com\/927\/\">there&#8217;s an XKCD for everything<\/a>&#8220;.<\/p>\n<p>The important part is that the modularity of the AR-15 and AR-10 allows different upper receivers to be mounted to a common lower receiver (which is, as I&#8217;ve noted in previous posts, the one part that is itself considered the &#8216;firearm&#8217; under US law).\u00a0 While the AR-15 is far more standardized than the various AR-10 incarnations, the magazine well of the AR-15 limits what ammunition can easily be fed through it.\u00a0 In fact, this limitation has been the underlying factor in the development of various new cartridges such as the <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/.50_Beowulf\">.50 Beowulf<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/6.8mm_Remington_SPC\">6.8 SPC<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/.458_SOCOM\">.458 SOCOM<\/a>, etc.\u00a0 Although a 12ga shotshell by itself will just barely slip through the magwell of an AR-15 lower receiver, designing a practical magazine to feed that ammunition through said magwell is out of the question.\u00a0 So, the next best thing is to scale up to the larger AR-10 lower receiver.<\/p>\n<p>The ever-popular <a href=\"https:\/\/www.magpul.com\/\">Magpul<\/a> .308 magazines will happily accept a standard 12 gauge shotgun shell (extracting said shell is another matter, though).\u00a0 The <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Rim_%28firearms%29\">rimmed base<\/a> of the venerable shotshell does not lend itself well to use in a box style magazine (as opposed to the tubular magazine that most traditional shotguns use).\u00a0 As an aside, this issue isn&#8217;t unique to shotshells.\u00a0 The rimmed base of the famous <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/.44_Magnum\">.44 Magnum<\/a> round (feel free to insert your favorite <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Dirty_Harry\">Dirty Harry<\/a> quote here) has limited its use in semiautomatic handguns to only 2 models in history, as far as I am aware &#8211; the iconic <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/IMI_Desert_Eagle\">Desert Eagle<\/a>, and Emilio Ghisoni&#8217;s masterpiece, the <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Mateba_Autorevolver\">Model 6 Unica<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>The designers of Kalashnikov derived shotguns (such as the <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Saiga-12\">Saiga-12<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/RPK#Vepr\">Vepr-12<\/a>) use special magazines with a fairly severe feed angle to improve reliability when stripping and chambering a round.\u00a0 Unfortunately, that doesn&#8217;t translate terribly well to using a straight magwell and magazines designed for rimless ammunition.\u00a0 The designers of the RAS-12 opted for a pretty radical approach to this problem &#8211; they designed their own ammunition.\u00a0 Which is probably why I managed to snag this very interesting upper for less than a sixth of its original retail price &#8211; not much more than 2 years after announcing the product, the company <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/Intrepid-Tactical-Solutions-1421363338082816\/timeline\/\">doesn&#8217;t seem to be in business<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/intrepidts.com\/\">anymore<\/a>.\u00a0 I may write more on this later, but I&#8217;ll limit myself to covering just the ammunition in this post.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/haveblue.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/cartridge-boxes.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-1973\" title=\"cartridge boxes\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/haveblue.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/cartridge-boxes.jpg?resize=614%2C668\" alt=\"\" width=\"614\" height=\"668\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The ammunition comes in boxes of 5, with 20 boxes to a case.<\/p>\n<p>The cartridges look very little like a traditional shotshell, and very much like a modern rebated rim pistol cartridge.\u00a0 In this manner, it is reminiscent of the <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/.50_Beowulf\">.50 Beowulf<\/a> cartridge designed for the AR-15 platform.\u00a0 The rounded nose and rebated rim makes feeding far simpler than with a standard 12ga shotshell, and allows for easy adaptation of existing magazines.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/haveblue.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/12ga-comparison.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-1968\" title=\"12ga comparison\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/haveblue.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/12ga-comparison.jpg?resize=614%2C468\" alt=\"\" width=\"614\" height=\"468\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The most significant feature of the cartridges is obvious &#8211; they are not of metal construction, but polymer (US patent <a href=\"http:\/\/www.google.com\/patents\/US9109850\">9109850<\/a> calls out polycarbonate and nylon as suitable materials, though various <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ellettbrothers.com\/ItemDetail.asp?iID=0819828\">online sources<\/a> specifically note polycarbonate as the hull).\u00a0 This feature alone is what made me take notice of the system, given that I&#8217;ve done a bit of tinkering with 3D printed polymers in gunsmithing applications.\u00a0 Even if supplies of the original ammunition dry up *cough* <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Gyrojet\">Gyrojet<\/a> *cough* <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Dardick_tround\">Dardick<\/a> *cough* <a href=\"http:\/\/www.remington.com\/products\/firearms\/special-runs\/past-special-runs\/centerfire\/model-700-etronx.aspx\">EtronX<\/a> *cough* it should still be possible to recreate the cartridges in a reverse-engineered fashion.\u00a0 I&#8217;m somewhat surprised that the RAS-12 designers didn&#8217;t opt to &#8216;open source&#8217; the design, as <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Sporting_Arms_and_Ammunition_Manufacturers'_Institute\">SAAMI standardization<\/a> is precisely what has allowed previously proprietary cartridges to <a href=\"http:\/\/www.alexanderarms.com\/index.php\/news-events\/111-65-grendel-saami.html\">survive<\/a> in the market if not outright <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/300_AAC_Blackout_%287.62%C3%9735mm%29\">flourish<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/haveblue.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/cartridge-disassembly.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-1969\" title=\"cartridge disassembly\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/haveblue.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/cartridge-disassembly.jpg?resize=614%2C451\" alt=\"\" width=\"614\" height=\"451\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I carefully disassembled a cartridge to determine the weights (in grains) for all of the components:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Projectile half: 512.4 gr\n<ul>\n<li>Nosecone: 24.8 gr<\/li>\n<li>Nine pellets of 00 buckshot: 481.2 gr<\/li>\n<li>Wadding: 6.4 gr<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li>Propellant half: 191.0 gr\n<ul>\n<li>Nitro card: 13.0 gr<\/li>\n<li>Gas seal: 17.0 gr<\/li>\n<li>Powder: 29.0 gr<\/li>\n<li>Hull: 117.2 gr<\/li>\n<li>Primer: 14.8 gr<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&#8230;for a grand total of 703.4 grains for a fully assembled cartridge.\u00a0 There&#8217;s certainly a bit of tolerance to these measurements, but they should serve as a suitable starting point for weights.\u00a0 Now, to start measuring the hull and nosecone to draw up in CAD&#8230;\t\t<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>It&#8217;s no secret that I have a penchant for oddball guns, be they paintball marker or firearm.\u00a0 Seeing a design that&#8217;s off the beaten path is always enjoyable, be it for mechanical ingenuity or sheer impractical novelty (though usually a peculiar blend of both).\u00a0 During a recent visit to my friendly local FFL (always good [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"nf_dc_page":"","_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[9],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1936","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-gunsmithing"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/haveblue.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1936","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/haveblue.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/haveblue.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/haveblue.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/haveblue.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=1936"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/haveblue.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1936\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/haveblue.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=1936"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/haveblue.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=1936"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/haveblue.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=1936"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}