I’ve been attending the CNC Workshop since the very first one (circa 2004 or so). The event’s host and organizer, Roland Freistadt, passed the reins over to Village Press after the 2008 event, and we finally had another workshop this year. As always, Rick Chownyk had presentations on getting started in CNC. Although I’m past […]
I’ve been attending the CNC Workshop since the very first one (circa 2004 or so). The event’s host and organizer, Roland Freistadt, passed the reins over to Village Press after the 2008 event, and we finally had another workshop this year.
"Cheap and Free" Rick Chownyk with the world famous Rick-O-Matic, a tabletop CNC machine he built out of various scavenged parts.
As always, Rick Chownyk had presentations on getting started in CNC. Although I’m past the point of ‘getting started’, Rick is such an entertaining person that I just had to sit in on a session.
Rick's Thursday aluminum casting - the block on the right is just a Mickey Mouse logo, while the block on the left is a woman's head (fresh off of a Tormach machine) that became much more recognizable once bead blasted. These were created from foam cores.
Rick also does a demonstration of backyard aluminum casting. While I’ve never tried it myself (and don’t currently have a need for it), I’d be quite confident in the procedure after seeing Rick explain and illustrate the process.
The two neatest new things at the workshop were Carmen Gianforte’s miniature firearms and Helmut’s (whose last name I didn’t catch) homebuilt wire EDM machine.
An actual Remington Derringer, and one of Carmen's 50% replicas
Despite having an interest in firearms, I know almost nothing about the field of miniature firearms. Carmen explained that they are not models, but are sub-scale replicas, and as such are fully functional.
A glass display box showing some of the component partsA more complete selection of some of the minature parts for one of the Derringers - all the screws are single pointed on a lathe!A variety of objects on Carmen's display table. In the far upper left, a cutaway of one of the brass cartridges that was used to check for correct drilling depth in the prototype stage. To the right of that is the smallest bullet mold I've ever seen. Below that is another epoxied cutaway, this time of Carmen's latest miniature project, a knuckleduster revolver. In the upper right are the molds used to form the Alumilite grips. And the Winchester primers are what he uses as the source of the mercury fulminate for his own miniature primers.The frame and barrel are investment cast, but Carmen needs to supply wax masters to the casting company. He makes these masters in a multi-part process with custom injection molds. The bottom left shows the first part - water soluble wax is formed into a 'core'. This core is then placed into another mold and standard blue casting wax is injected into the cavity, yielding the piece seen in the lower right. Carmen then drops these pieces into a tin of water and lets the water soluble wax dissolve away overnight, leaving the hollow wax part in the upper left (such a part would require terribly complex molds to create in one pass without a disposable core). The resulting stainless steel frame in the upper right is what comes back from the casting company.
When I say ‘fully functional’, yes, that means they actually shoot (they even have rifling in the barrel bores). Carmen actually manufactures his own ammunition – I forgot to ask what caliber, but they looked to be around .125″, perhaps less. Making the cartridges is fairly standard (if eye-crossingly tiny) lathe work. But they also need primers, and Carmen makes his own – anvils and all. It took him an immense amount of trial-and-error work to draw the tiny copper discs into cups with a set of progressive dies and punches. For the mercury fulminate, he takes shotshell primers and adds a few drops of water to desensitize the compound, and is then able to smear a bit of the resulting paste into his own primer cups. After pressing these primers into the cartridges with anvil in place, and allowing them to dry, the cartridges are live and can be fired. I have no idea how he adds powder and seats the bullet – I had so many questions for him that I could have quizzed him for a week, yet he very graciously answered all my questions and happily explained his techniques.
Helmut’s wire EDM was a fantastic little machine:
A wire EDM machine uses a copper wire as an electrode to cut a 2D shape in a plate of metal, just like if you took a hot wire to cut a shape in a stick of butter (just much more slowly). Generally wire EDM machines are very large, expensive machines – this is the only homebuilt one I’ve even seen in person, and it’s a clever little contraption. Helmut is able to pull the whole machine up out of the tank (which is filled with distilled water) to inspect progress and make adjustments. The pencil on the back side traces out the pattern being cut (stars in this case).
Blimey, 5 months without an update! While I haven’t done as much on various projects as I’d hoped, slight progress is underway on the rotary phase converter and other sundry topics. On Sunday I did a bit of milling for a customer on a Phantom trigger frame. While I generally point people in the direction […]
Blimey, 5 months without an update! While I haven’t done as much on various projects as I’d hoped, slight progress is underway on the rotary phase converter and other sundry topics. On Sunday I did a bit of milling for a customer on a Phantom trigger frame. While I generally point people in the direction of Ken at KPCS whenever I’m asked about doing custom paintball gun work, once in a while I’ll take on a simple project if it interests me.
Ball end milling on a CCI frame
This was nothing fancy, but it was the first time I had actually tried it. I wish I could say that I did everything on the fly by eye, but I drew it up in SolidWorks first. This actually was good, as it allowed me to determine the best depth of cut on the area right behind the trigger, and more importantly, I was able to give the customer a screenshot of what it would look like before actually making chips.
I wired up the motor controller to the vibratory deburrer today. Since I had already bench tested the motor and controller, I had no real concerns other than making sure I was using the right terminals on the controller. I put a tub of ceramic media with some aluminum parts into the unit, and gave […]
I wired up the motor controller to the vibratory deburrer today. Since I had already bench tested the motor and controller, I had no real concerns other than making sure I was using the right terminals on the controller. I put a tub of ceramic media with some aluminum parts into the unit, and gave it a shot. The media swirled around the tub much like it had in the suspended version, which was something I was hoping to eliminate. After realigning the weights to 90 degrees apart, I found that the swirling was eliminated if I ran the motor at about 60% of full speed. I covered the tub and left it run – thankfully the noise is a little less than the suspended version (but just a little). About 45 minutes later, I heard what sounded like a muffled crash, and ran downstairs to see what had happened. The bucket frame was leaning way over, and after powering off the motor controller, I had a look at the damage.
Snapped spring - given how tough these were to grind to length, I'm amazed that it broke.
One of the 4 springs that support the tub frame had snapped from the vibration. As the frame keeled over to one side, the hose that coupled the motor to the weight shaft was twisted and sheared off.
Torn hose - despite being fiber and wire reinforced, it still gave way. In retrospect, this wasn't a bad thing - easier to replace the hose than the motor, after all.
At this point, spending the money for a proper industrial unit is looking more and more attractive.
I stopped at the hardware store hoping to find some suitable rod that would fit the undersized bearings of the previous post. Naturally, the rod sizes they stock jump from 1/2″ to 3/4″ with nothing in between. While pondering the unsavory prospect of shaving down the diameter of a stainless shaft on the lathe, I […]
I stopped at the hardware store hoping to find some suitable rod that would fit the undersized bearings of the previous post. Naturally, the rod sizes they stock jump from 1/2″ to 3/4″ with nothing in between. While pondering the unsavory prospect of shaving down the diameter of a stainless shaft on the lathe, I wandered around the store aisles aimlessly. This is something I tend to do more often than not when I enter any hardware or mechanically inclined store – seeing the blue building insulation makes me think that I should build a hot wire foam cutter for R/C airplane wings, while the plumbing section reminds me that I’d like to build a pneumatic launcher with a Rainbird sprinkler valve as the core. Thank heavens the Boeing Surplus Store is now closed – if I ever would have entered their doors, I never would have left.
In my meanderings, I found a nice large 5/8″ diameter bolt that slipped through the bearings nicely (there’s a little bit of play, but I don’t think it will be an issue). Unfortunately, I found that I had been a bit enthusiastic in welding the weight plates:
On the bottom unit, I seem to have run the weld bead up into the hole for the clamping screw, locking the screw into place.
Fortunately, I was able to use an endmill to break through the weld and free the screw. I did a test assembly of the bearing unit, and things looked pretty good:
I then shaved down the threads to about 1/2″ diameter so that I could use a piece of 1/2″ ID hose to couple the bolt to the motor shaft. I also had to round the outer corners of the top weight to keep it from hitting the frame members. After attaching the weight and bearing unit to the old motor mount plate, I reassembled the bucket frame and installed it on top of the springs. I did have to reduce the spring height by 2″, but once assembled, the whole unit ‘felt’ about right. I finished by adding the hose coupling and adjusting the motor height.
I managed to locate a suitable DC motor and controller for the vibratory deburrer, and then set about designing a proper lower ‘chassis’ for the system. I’ve been trying to make all equipment wheeled as much as possible for easy movement around the garage or basement, but I also needed leveling pads on the unit […]
I managed to locate a suitable DC motor and controller for the vibratory deburrer, and then set about designing a proper lower ‘chassis’ for the system. I’ve been trying to make all equipment wheeled as much as possible for easy movement around the garage or basement, but I also needed leveling pads on the unit (I want it to shake and rattle, but not roll). The bottom chassis looks rather small, and I hope that it won’t have a tendency to fall over as a result.
3/4HP DC motor mounted and ready for action.
I welded pipe nipples to the chassis and stuck what I hope will be appropriately sized springs onto them. The legs of the bucket frame now have pipe nipples and washers welded to their bottoms – they should slip into the springs from the top. The motor location is adjustable back and forth by a little bit so that it can be aligned with the weight shaft (which will be bolted to the previous motor mounting plate on the bucket frame). The weight shaft mounting has been a bit of an annoyance – I started with a hunk of aluminum bar stock and bored a pocket on each side to hold a 5/8″ ID bearing. A short shaft then passes through the bearings and will have a weight plate on either end of the shaft:
Not the prettiest welding , but as long as it holds together I'll be happy.
I’ll be able to adjust the vibration amplitude by simply aligning the plates – 180 degrees apart for ‘purr like a kitten’ all the way up to 0 degrees apart for ‘funny, I don’t recall there being any fault lines around here’.
Although the bearings are 5/8″ ID, I’ve had a heck of a time trying to coax any 5/8″ rod through them. I finally decided to see if thermal expansion could assist, so I threw the rod in the freezer and stuck the bearing bar in the oven on low. Half an hour later, I pulled out both parts, tried to slide the rod through and…
"Oh, bother," said Pooh.
The rod managed to get perhaps 1/16″ into the bearing before thermal conductivity stepped in and ruined the fun. It turns out that perhaps I should have been a little more careful when selecting bearings – these are +0″/-0.0003″ on the inside diameter. Either I’ll need to find some undersized rod (generally $$$) or I’ll have to make a stab at turning down this existing rod by just a couple thou.
I’ve been rather fascinated lately with the RepRap project. In a nutshell, this is a project to build a low-cost rapid prototyping machine. Specifically, RepRap aims to design and build rapid prototypers that can make as many of their own parts as possible, which is a noble goal, but not a design facet that particularly interests me right now. There are other rapid prototyping projects such as Fab@Home and Makerbot’sCupCake CNC (which is based on the earlier RepRap design known as ‘Darwin’), but the latest RepRap design known as ‘Mendel’ is really elegant. Mendel is a far simpler design than its predecessor, has a larger working envelope, and should prove far more scalable – stretching any of the axes for more travel should be pretty trivial if the design ever needs expansion for making larger parts.
Ideally, building a Mendel for myself would start with getting a set of rapid prototyped Mendel parts from someone else, but there seems to be hardly anyone making Mendel parts yet. Besides, I really have no interest in having a ‘pure’ machine that was replicated as much as possible – in fact, I’d prefer to actually machine my own parts for it. I’ve been eagerly following Shane Wighton’s blog, as he also wanted to build a Mendel and has access to a machine shop. We both came across the same issue of trying to view the 3D assembly of Mendel in the downloadable solid model files – the files were created in an academic licensed version of Solid Edge, which the freely downloadable Solid Edge Viewer refuses to display. I thought perhaps it was a video driver issue until I tried running the program on another machine. A student friend who has access to an academic version at school was kind enough to create an eDrawings version of the assembly for me. I’ve used eDrawings created from SolidWorks many times, and they work beautifully. However, the .easm created from a trial copy of eDrawings for Solid Edge was abyssmal. Missing parts galore, including one of the steppers (why it singled out a single stepper is beyond me – they’re all from the same part file). Geometric Ltd. seems to think that the software is worth $395. I suggest they revise that figure downwards by a few orders of magnitude.
I finally realized I’d just have to re-create the parts in SolidWorks. Not a huge deal – SolidWorks barfed a bit on importing the entire assembly of Mendel (no issues with being from an academic version of Solid Edge – take note Siemens, as even competing products are doing better with your own files), but opens the individual .par files quite happily. Like Shane, I decided to start with the vertex pieces – while he opted to use a sine bar in the vise to provide the right angle on the vertex pieces, his use of a tooling ball (which I had never heard of before, and it took me a little while to figure out how they are used) gave me an idea of how I could do all the machining without worrying about angles. The trick is simply in relocating the hole that Shane was using for the tooling ball so that it runs in line with the two outside holes (and using the same diameter for all 3). Then, by using short 5/16″ rods through 2 holes at a time, I can accurately cut any of the faces.
I started with 3 pieces of scrap 3/4″ aluminum plate and drilled six 5/16″ holes though each at the coordinates that I had determined by a CAD sketch. I then bandsawed the pieces in a chevron shape:
Then I ran two pins through the holes of what would be a ‘leg’ on the part and clamped it in the mill vise:
In order to set the tool height, I placed a parallel across the pins and brought the endmill down onto it, then locked the quill, after which I lowered the knee by the appropriate amount:
This allowed me to machine the ‘convex’ side of each part. The other piece clamped in the left of the vise is just there to even out the force on the vise, not to have any machining done on it (I actually had something always clamped on the left, but removed it for most of these photos for clarity). To machine the concave side as well as the end of each ‘leg’, I needed to use an end stop:
Note that I started using 5/16″ drill bits rather than the 5/16″ pins of the previous photographs. The stainless steel pins were a very tight fit (I didn’t have a 5/16″ reamer on hand, so the holes are slightly undersized) and I had resorted to using a hammer and punch to drive them in and out of the holes. This got old really fast, so I just used a pair of drill bits instead – they had drilled the holes anyhow and were a loose enough fit that I could pull them out by hand, which really sped things up. After machining the ends, all milling was complete, and I just had to drill the two cross holes:
A touch with a countersink tool on all holes and a pass of a file on any rough edges completed the work. I’ll toss them into the vibratory deburrer later to give them a nice even finish.
One last thing – I’d like to give a shout out for Milwaukee Makerspace, which is a group of hackers/makers/tinkerers hoping to start a local ‘makerspace’ (think ‘a place for geeks to play with machine tools’). Come join us – the more people we can get, the cheaper it will be for everyone.
After a brief vibratory stint on some Roundhead bodies to test out the efficacy of my thread insert plugs during the ceramic deburring cycle, I tried turning on the motor once more only to be greeted with a loud angry hum from the motor but no movement (and an ominous dimming of the lights). A […]
After a brief vibratory stint on some Roundhead bodies to test out the efficacy of my thread insert plugs during the ceramic deburring cycle, I tried turning on the motor once more only to be greeted with a loud angry hum from the motor but no movement (and an ominous dimming of the lights). A bit of investigation showed that a wire nut had fallen off of a pair of wire ends, and they had probably contacted the steel tubing that served as the frame of the unit. I replaced the wire nut after checking for any other signs of damage, and tried plugging in the motor once more. Again, the lights dimmed and an angry hum flowed forth.
So I started disassembling the deburrer frame so I could pull the motor off of its mounting plate. Once I had the motor entirely free, I tried plugging it in again, and it spun up like a champ. I figured I must have knocked some bit of debris loose or something, and re-assembled the frame. Wouldn’t you know it, I tried plugging it in once more, and again got the ‘growling of extreme displeasure’ that unhappy motors are so very good at making. At this point I surmised that the eccentric weight that I had bolted to the motor shaft (which is what provides the vibration) was the culprit, and that the motor would spin up only when entirely unloaded.
I asked one of our EEs at work about the issue, and he indicated that single phase motors are generally an annoyance. I mentioned that the motor had a bulged cover on one side that probably housed a capacitor, and he said that this would be the start capacitor. Furthermore, toasting this cap as a result of the dangling wires was certainly a possibility, and that a slighty loaded shaft could be just enough to keep it from starting without the cap, giving the angry hum. “Pop off that cover, and you may find the gooey innards of the cap coating the inside”, he suggested. However, removing the cover revealed a fully intact, apparently functional capacitor (crude tests with a multimter indicated that yes, it was indeed holding a charge). I brought the motor in to work and disassembled it on a bench (with the help of the EE, who had once worked for Leeson Electric, and hence knows a thing or three about motors). Everything inside looked just fine – we couldn’t see any signs of trouble. I re-assembled the unit and tried powering it up. As before, it would spin up happily when unloaded, but when I held my foot against the shaft and tried turning it on, I got the angry hum. The EE surmised that the motor may very well have a bad winding – using a clamp-on ammeter seemed to indicate that the motor was drawing quite a bit of current at idle. To fix the winding (if even possible for one of these cheap overseas made motors) would almost certainly be more than simply buying a new motor. Off to Ebay I went, and found a beauty of a 1/2HP Marathon for much less than I paid for the 1/3HP Worldwide Electric.
Note the internal plate indicated by the red arrow – I’ll mention this in a bit. The Marathon motor (manufactured for Graymills for use in a pump) was pleasant to hook up, as the connections are all spade terminals inside a cover plate on the tail end. Despite being more powerful, the motor is actually smaller in diameter than the 1/3HP I had used. I assembled the vibratory deburrer with the Marathon, and set the whole thing going on a Saturday. A few hours later, the noise in the basement ceased, and I wondered what the heck had happened. The motor case was really really hot, so I let it cool off for the night. The next day, I tried spinning the counterweight by hand to see if perhaps it had seized or something, and I got a nasty shrieking squeal in return. Great, “another blown motor”, I thought.
I disassembled the deburrer and had a look at the motor. Thankfully the squeaking wasn’t a failed bearing as I had feared, but was the internal fan scraping against a sheetmetal plate of some sort (the thing pointed out by the red arrow in the above pic). I tried using a screwdriver to push the plate back down towards the windings (away from the fan), but this was near impossible to do correctly, as there were vents on only one side of the housing, and I managed to tip the plate even further. I disassembled the motor at work and carefully pressed the plate down into place (our EE said I could probably remove the plate altogether, as it was probably just for splash protection, but it’s captive due to a pressed bearing that I didn’t care to try removing). I’m wondering if perhaps the excessive temperature walked the plate out of place and up into the fan. Sticking a desk fan next to the motor seemed like a good idea, though I really needed to keep the motor from overheating in the first place. Excessive slip was probably the cause of the heat according to the EE, which meant I was simply trying to use too heavy a weight. Why I didn’t have this issue on the 1/3HP motor is a mystery to me, but at any rate I removed the hunk of steel from the weight. I immediately noticed that the unit was a good bit quieter, and the media hardly moved anymore. Well, at least the motor wouldn’t be turning itself into a puddle of slag while I come up with a better system.
I also noticed something slightly disturbing – some nasty chain wear. I guess this is the cause of the sprinkling of metal dust that appears on the tub cover, and indicates that a top suspended deburring system simply isn’t going to work very well.
This chain simply won't survive long-term
I then have two big changes that I intend to make to the deburrer – switching to a DC motor and going to a standard bottom supported tub rather than a suspended tub. Using a DC motor will allow me to vary the speed with a motor controller, and I also won’t have to worry about excessive slip causing increased current consumption and massive heat buildup. Even better, I can vary the motor speed in order to best match the load’s characteristics and find a sweet spot of maximum amplitude. In order to support the unit from beneath, I bought some beefy spring stock and will have to come up with a base of some sort. My plan is to also detach the motor from the tub plates, and have the motor attach to the new base instead. Then I’ll use a flexible coupling (a piece of hose, actually) between the motor shaft and the shaft of a weight system. Not only will this be kinder on the motor’s bearings, but the motor will no longer be useless dead weight in the vibrational system.
My homebuilt vibratory deburrer is still a far cry from a commercial unit – I went to the local machine tool tradeshow this past week and gazed longingly at the big industrial units on display there… until I found out the prices. I’ve got maybe $200 into my homemade version (a really good scrounger would […]
My homebuilt vibratory deburrer is still a far cry from a commercial unit – I went to the local machine tool tradeshow this past week and gazed longingly at the big industrial units on display there… until I found out the prices. I’ve got maybe $200 into my homemade version (a really good scrounger would have been able to do it for far less, I’m sure), which is still a good order of magnitude cheaper than one of the biggies. Still, it leaves a lot to be desired – among its deficiencies are poor media movement, extremely long cycle times (probably related issues), splashing water in ‘wet’ cycles, and acoustic exuberance (“noisy as all hell”).
I also don’t get much ‘scrubbing’ action on part surfaces – while burrs and sharp edges do get knocked down admirably (though needing a bit of time), surface scratches and tiny dings still remain and I can still see the tool marks of the lathe tool on Roundhead bodies. I’m seeing if using a Scotch-Brite wheel on the bodies will help remove the dings and allow for a better surface finish in the deburrer. Well, calling it a Scotch-Brite wheel is pretty generous at the moment – since I wanted to try something ‘right now’, I took a pair of 3M abrasive nylon pads, tore a hole through their centers, slapped them onto the shaft of my grinder/polisher and had a go at it. Not too bad, though I’ll have to get a proper wheel soon, as the pads wore down quickly. It remains to be seen if this Scotch-Brite pre-treatment will improve post-deburred surface finish.
As mentioned, one issue with the vibe deburrer is that it flings droplets of water upwards and outwards every so often when running wet deburring media. I had naively thought “eh, it’s just water, and the basement floor drain is like a foot away” when originally making the deburrer. I had intended to put a cover on it (honest), but there were no suitable covers for the laundry tubs I used. So I ran it as is, which wasn’t too bad at first. Sure, the supporting beam, chains and basement floor just got a light sprinkling, but the problem is with the suspended microscopic grit and removed metal suspended in the water droplets. When the water evaporates, it leaves a gray coating of grime that leaves your hands with that sensation of “eyuugh” when you rub it between your fingers while running for the nearest sink. I’m assuming it’s like dried slip, but worse. So it was with this in mind that I created a cover.
Nothing fancy, but it turned out nicely. I used some cheapo plywood and 2″ thick foam insulation from Home Depot, cut into 24″ sqaures and then ‘assembled’ with some 3M spray adhesive (I doubled up the foam for 4″ of thickness). I then drew a 20″ circle on the sandwich and ran it through the bandsaw at work (blade must have a massive weld on it – note the vertical lines around the perimeter of the foam caused by the weld that closes the loop of the bandsaw blade). Topped off with a door handle, and beveled the edge of the foam a little to fit the tub. Now the nasty grimy droplets will stay put (note my attempts to wipe away the gray grime from the edge of the tub). I had hoped that perhaps the cover might abate the noise a bit, but no such luck.
The second improvement made regards the media flow in the tub. The ceramic media that I deburr with mostly just spins around the tub, like the water in a draining sink (which really doesn’t provide any deburring action, and is wasted movement). Beyond this, the media moves in a toroidal fashion – media moves downward around the outside edge of the tub, and also downward in the very center (naturally the media must come upwards between these two locations). I mentioned in a previous post that parts tended to pool in the center, and long parts like the Roundhead bodies would stick halfway out of the center, contacting media on only one end. To counter this, I figured it was a good idea to try to fill that center area with something else. I filled a Gatorade bottle up with water, and placed it in the center.
Incredibly, it worked! I no longer had parts pooling in the center – the movement of the media kept the bottle in the center, and the actual parts were free to circulate. This explains why all circular commercial deburrers I’ve seen have a cone or cylinder in the center of the tub, or a donut shaped bowl – the center is simply a dead zone in all circular tubs. I’ll have to see about modifying a laundry tub with a bottle or PVC pipe in the center, and perhaps some ribs on the outside edges to impede media from swirling when it should be bouncing.
The third improvement for this post regards not the deburrer itself, but preparing the parts for deburring. A problem that I had with the first batch of Roundhead bodies was with the threaded holes for the thread inserts that need to be screwed into place (think Heli-Coils, but better). The outer end of the threaded hole was getting peened over by the ceramic media, and I had to use a tap to chase the threads. This was less than ideal, as the threads are fine and very shallow, so I had to use a bottoming tap. Trying to get a tap straight on a cylinder (even with existing threads) is not exactly easy, and I’ve ruined several bodies in the attempt. One thing I discovered was that my thread milled threads weren’t actually large enough in diameter to accept the thread inserts, so I changed the the CNC program so that the thread milling operation was technically 0.006″ over the nominal 1/4″. At least now the inserts fit in place without needing the threads chased, but the peening issue remained.
Peening of top thread edge due to deburring media. Brown particles and residue are the rouge treated walnut and corncob polishing media, though the peening is caused by the earlier used ceramic media.
The above is an admittedly poor photo, but you can sort of see how the top edge has been beaten down a little bit, squashing the thread. I figured the best way to prevent this would be to use a plug of some sort in the threads. Unfortunately, there are no set screws available in the 1/4-36 thread needed (that I could find, at any rate). I guessed using the thread inserts themselves as a plug would be the best method, but the centers of the inserts (which have an 8-32 thread) needed a plug of some sort themselves. An 8-32 set screw was the logical choice, but the trick was in securing the two together. I considered using Loctite, but I wasn’t sure that even red Loctite would hold up to the torque of really cranking an insert into place. Plus, I didn’t have any on hand. I asked Frankie about soldering the set screws into place, and he said that for stainless, Stay-Silv 45 and black flux would be good to use. However, he noted that on stainless, silver solder doesn’t ‘wick’ into joints very well. This worried me, as the only way to really get a solder joint between a set screw and a thread insert was by getting the solder to wick between the two. I tried heating a set screw and thread insert with a propane torch and applying some rosin core electronics solder to the joint, but the solder simply balled up and made no attempt at capillary action. I figured I wouldn’t have much improved luck with the silver solder. While idly torching the metal to a red hot state, I suddenly had a thought – what if I could forge the two together somehow?
The idea is simple enough – I threaded the insert onto the ‘head’ end of the set screw so that perhaps .010″ of set screw stuck out past the end of the thread insert. I then heated the unit up to red hot while it sat on the anvil of my bench vise. Once sufficiently heated, I smacked the tip of the set screw a few times with a hammer, squishing it slightly and binding it to the insert (while hopefully keeping the insert itself dimensionally unchanged).
Heating the set screw and thread insert - it doesn't actually glow as brightly as the picture makes it look, which leads me to think that the extra brightness is due to the camera's CCD sensitivity to IR radiation.Set screw and insert on left, mashed version on right.
The resulting plugs seem to do the trick – I’ve inserted them into several bodies, though I still have to run them through the ceramic media. The set screws on a few plugs will spin with enough torque, but a little more heat and hammer should fix that.
Having been enamored with the 5C collet chuck on the 9×20 lathe, I certainly wanted the same for the big Keiyo Seiki. Not having a whole lot of use for the 9×20 anymore, I decided to simply move the chuck to the much bigger lathe. I looked around online for a suitable adapter plate, but […]
Having been enamored with the 5C collet chuck on the 9×20 lathe, I certainly wanted the same for the big Keiyo Seiki. Not having a whole lot of use for the 9×20 anymore, I decided to simply move the chuck to the much bigger lathe. I looked around online for a suitable adapter plate, but I wasn’t sure of precisely what I needed, so I went back to New England Brass & Tool and Bob had just the adapter plate I needed in stock, and at a price lower than I had figured.
Front and rear of the adapter plate
This was a semi-finished backplate, which means that it still needs final machining to fit an attached chuck (more on this later). However, it also had the recess for the spindle’s indicating lug off-center. I’m not sure if this was actually intentional, as the lathe’s indicating lug is right on center with the rest of the bolt pattern:
Note the indicating lug at the top left of the spindle - it follows the same spacing as the threaded holes around the perimeter, unlike the backplate.
Well, there were two possible solutions – either drill a new indicating lug recess on the backplate, or drill and countersink new mounting holes through the backplate and use the existing recess. I decided to just drill a new recess, opting for simplicity, as I’m sure I wouldn’t be able to drill 3 new mounting holes with the same accuracy as the existing ones. The indicating lug hole doesn’t have to be super precise anyhow – I think it’s simply there to make sure that the same holes on the backplate match up with the same holes on the spindle with each mounting, ensuring better accuracy.
I use a Blake Co-Ax indicator to determine the center of each of the mounting holes.
I clamped the plate to the mill’s table with a hold-down clamp that was almost the perfect size (I filed the tail end of the clamp a little to get it to fit the inside of the plate). I then found the center of one of the mounting holes and set its location as the origin on the DRO.
The DRO basically feels like cheating after having used just handwheel dials.
I then moved around to the other holes and the recess for the indicating lug, noting the coordinates for each one. I then whipped up a quick CAD drawing with each of the 4 points to see how far off the lug recess from the bolt circle was (if anything). It looked to be off of the bolt circle by only 0.002″, which I’d simply consider measurement error on my part. I then determined the X,Y coordinates for a lug recess centered between two of the mounting holes. Back at the mill, I shuttled the table to this location, locked the ways (on my old Tree, locking really doesn’t put a lot of clamping on the gibs, but it helps keep things steady), and proceeded to center drill the spot, then drill down about 0.4″ with a 1/2″ drill. The recess needed to be just a little over 3/4″, but I didn’t have a 3/4″ drill, so I used a 3/4″ endmill to bore the depth.
Using an endmill to hog out most of the recessFinishing up with a boring head
After bringing the recess to size with a boring head, I removed it from the table, cleaned it off and tried attaching it to the spindle. The screws went in rather tight, and it had difficultly squeezing flat against the spindle. I guessed that my hole for the indicating lug was off by just a bit, and I was squishing the lug.
Technically it fits, but took more torque than should be needed
After removing the plate, I had a look at the lug recess and saw the telltale signs of metal interference:
Seeing linear marks here indicates that the lug was not centered in the recess and was binding on this edge
I clamped the plate back onto the mill table and bumped the 3/4″ endmill up against the marred edge of the recess. I then zeroed the DRO, retracted the quill, moved over about 0.005″, then milled down about 0.3″ to relieve the area that was binding. I put the plate back on the spindle, and the screws tightened up a bit easier this time, so I considered the rear of the plate to be complete.
The front of the plate has a raised boss that slips inside the rear edge of the chuck to keep it centered, and this boss must be cut to size once the plate is mounted to the spindle. This ensures that the boss is cut perfectly concentric with the lathe’s spindle (something impossible for the manufacturer of the plate to do, as every spindle will run just a hair different).
Machining the boss on the front of the plate to final diameter
I had to take the diameter of the boss down about 0.060″ or so – I used a carbide bit and took pretty light passes so I could ‘sneak up’ on the final dimension without cutting any further than necessary. Once I got close, I’d stop the lathe, clean off the chips (dust, really – the plate is cast iron, which creates more of a coarse powder, like fine sand, rather than chips like you’d get from aluminum or steel), and try fitting the chuck to the plate. After the final thousandth of an inch, the chuck slipped on with no side play, and I fastened it in place with the mounting screws.
Finally - all mounted! The chuck looks downright puny on such a large machine.
Now I was curious to see just how accurate the chuck was – with the backplate cut so perfectly, I should ideally see zero runout on the chuck. I attached a dial test indicator to a magnetic base and had a look.
Testing runout on the 5C collet chuck
Before even checking the runout, I decided to see how rigid the chuck and spindle are on the lathe – on the 9×20, I could get the indicator to deflect a thou or two just by pushing firmly on the chuck perpendicular to the spindle axis. I pushed with about the same amount of force with the same chuck mounted on the Keiyo Seiki, and watched the indicator needle anxiously. Not. Even. A. Single. Twitch. This beast is solid. A side effect of such rigidity is that a runout measurement should be a lot more accurate, so let’s see what we have…
Total Indicated Runout (TIR) is under 0.0015", the difference between the two extremes shown.
Appears to be just under 1.5 thou – not perfect, but good enough for the moment. On the 9×20 I had cut the boss on the backplate a bit undersize accidentally, but the extra slop actually allowed me to adjust away the runout by carefully snugging up the mounting screws, checking TIR, gently tapping the chuck in the appropriate direction with a mallet, checking again, tightening the screws further, and so on to make the chuck run true. Of course, the collets themselves have runout as well, but I don’t worry much about that if I can get the chuck adjusted well. But enough of that for now – time to cut some metal!
First cut with the 5C collet chuck on the Keiyo Seiki. You can see little metal shards sticking to the surface of the part due to a less-than-sharp cutter being used. After swapping in a better cutter, the resulting surface finish was nice and clean.
My big Keiyo Seiki lathe came with a simple lantern style toolpost, which is considered pretty ancient as far as toolholding technology goes. While they do have their uses (the narrow profile is quite nice for certain workpieces or setups), a quick change toolpost will be much more useful to me, especially when doing small […]
My big Keiyo Seiki lathe came with a simple lantern style toolpost, which is considered pretty ancient as far as toolholding technology goes. While they do have their uses (the narrow profile is quite nice for certain workpieces or setups), a quick change toolpost will be much more useful to me, especially when doing small scale production.
I wanted to get something really good for toolholding on this lathe, and the Aloris wedge-type quick change toolposts we had on the lathes in class were the Cadillacs of the field. Unfortunately, they have a pricetag to match – a local machinery dealer has a used Aloris CA set but wants $700 for the kit. Much as I hate to contribute to a trade imbalance, getting a Chinese made clone would be the only way to afford such a setup. I looked around at some of the offerings, and word on some of the machining forums was that the units from Quality Machine Tools weren’t half bad (but that the set screws and other hardware they come with are poor and should be replaced).
The big decision was whether to get a CXA or CA style toolpost – the difference is size. Measuring between the top of the T-slot on the lathe’s compound and the tip of a live center in the tailstock gave me a distance of 1-15/16″. Using the dimensions found in the Shars Tool Co catalog (I assumed that it’s probably the exact same stuff as what Quality Machine Tools sells), I determined that either CXA or CA would work fine for the range of sizes that their toolholders were designed for. I decided to go for the biggie and ordered the larger CA unit, as it would allow me to use 1″ square tooling. Plus, I remember chatting with a retired machinist many years ago, and he noted a rule of thumb when buying machine tools – if you have a choice between a machine that weighs 5 tons and one that weighs 7 tons, and both otherwise have identical specifications, always buy the heavier one. The extra mass means extra rigidity and better vibration dampening, which translates to being able to hold tighter tolerances and better finishes on machined parts. Never pass up the chance to listen to an old machinist – those guys are treasure chests of practical wisdom.
The massive CA clone toolpost next to a rather feeble looking lantern toolpost
When the toolpost set arrived, I was rather taken aback at the weight – this was a beast.
The stock T-nut, larger than the compound's T-slot.
The T-nut that the toolpost bolts to the compound with is oversize so that the end user can cut it to fit (there being a very wide array of T-slot sizes). I took a few measurements and tossed the T-nut on the mill.
I started by cutting the width to size. The 'smoke' you see is vaporizing WD-40, which I sprayed on as a lubricant/coolant.Next I took the corners to size.After a few passes to take some material off the top, the slimmed T-nut now fits beautifully.Fully mounted and ready for action.
I still need to replace the set screws and other hardware on the toolholders, but thus far I’m quite impressed with the pieces for the price. The dovetails fit up very closely, and honestly, I can’t imagine that the extra $500+ to get a ‘real’ Aloris would actually net me much more. Now to scour Ebay for some beefy 1″ Kennametal insert holders…