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jeffremiller
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posted 06-28-2001 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffremiller   Click Here to Email jeffremiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just bought an E-mag and the Linux Geek in me just can't stand to wait...

Has anyone started hacking the E-mag? I see the 14 PIN socket on the board (for a PBASIC Stamp?) Does anyone have board specifics, such as Flash size, programming interface, etc,etc)

A couple of ideas that have already crossed my mind:

ambient emperature sensor / display on LED
shot count alarm speaker or vibration?
game timer alarm speaker or vibration?
Battery level indicator on LED

I guess you can see where I'm going ith this... Just something to play with.

Is there a group developing this type of "non-essential" creature comforts?

I'd love to help.

J_

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FeelTheRT
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posted 06-28-2001 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FeelTheRT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jeffremiller:
I just bought an E-mag and the Linux Geek in me just can't stand to wait...

Has anyone started hacking the E-mag? I see the 14 PIN socket on the board (for a PBASIC Stamp?) Does anyone have board specifics, such as Flash size, programming interface, etc,etc)

A couple of ideas that have already crossed my mind:

ambient emperature sensor / display on LED
shot count alarm speaker or vibration?
game timer alarm speaker or vibration?
Battery level indicator on LED

I guess you can see where I'm going ith this... Just something to play with.

Is there a group developing this type of "non-essential" creature comforts?

I'd love to help.

J_



i'd love to help! but i do'nt have an Emag lol

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Bartman
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posted 06-28-2001 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bartman   Click Here to Email Bartman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yea, we have a flash programer, jsut waiting for my last tourney in august. Then I plan to strip out the burst modes, and make teh gun semi only.

with the extra space in the flash, I want to add a anticop eye, using the post for burst mode as a conectore for teh eye.

Keep posting here, and as we get closer to ripping the chip out, we can both get together and talk.

Bartman
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MagDog68
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posted 06-29-2001 01:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MagDog68   Click Here to Email MagDog68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is times like this that I wish I had been more interested in Math during school...

~Fred

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-§on-
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posted 06-29-2001 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for -§on-   Click Here to Email -§on-     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If I could get an extra board I will try A LOT OF things to it.

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jeffremiller
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posted 06-29-2001 08:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffremiller   Click Here to Email jeffremiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A second board would be the ultimate but I'd settle for the tech specification and programming info on the one I have. I've started researching the Paralax PBASIC stamp and I see mega potential in it. Most of it is just "giggle" features such as the termometer and humidity but the game/ammo alarm I saw mentioned in a review as a possible enhancement. If AGD is reading this, let me see the code and play with it for awhile.

I'll sign non-disclosures, etc. I just want to see this platform exploited to it's fullest!

J_

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jeffremiller
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posted 07-01-2001 08:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffremiller   Click Here to Email jeffremiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
up...

i'd like to keep this on the first page if possible to get some repsponses and info from AGD.

thanks

J_

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Bartman
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posted 07-01-2001 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bartman   Click Here to Email Bartman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I have almost finished the drawing for my new body. after I turn that, I will be ready to figure out 2 things, one the ACE(or something similar) and how I am going to add it to the board. I am hopping like heck this will help stop my chopping problems.

I have a friend going to get to work on the chip soon, to see if we can get into it, and change it to serve my purposes better.

Any ways, I hope this doesn't get closed so we can keep exchanging Info about the Hack.

Bartman
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jeffremiller
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posted 07-02-2001 06:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffremiller   Click Here to Email jeffremiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you look inside the grip there is a vertical row of 14 sockets for a stamp... looks like this will fit.

http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F010%5F017%5F001%5F000&product%5Fid=900%2D3272

That way, you should have to actually hack the existing flash load or the board much. This stamp has access to the I/O lines on the board and can run independent programs.

I guess it depends on what you want to do to the thing.

J_

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jeffremiller
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posted 07-03-2001 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffremiller   Click Here to Email jeffremiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK... I'm going to test this pinout tonight and see if voltage is present on the corect pins. If so, I think this is what I need. Sorting out the I/O lines is going to be a pain. Perhaps someone with AGD would be kind enough to post the pin-outs?




















PinNameDescription
1VINUnregulated power in: accepts 5.5 - 15 VDC (6-40 VDC on BS1-IC
rev. b), which is then internally regulated to 5 volts. May be left unconnected
if 5 volts is applied to the VDD (+5V) pin.

2VSS System ground: connects to PC parallel port pin 25 (GND) for

programming.

3PCOPC Out: connects to PC parallel port pin 11 (BUSY) for

programming.

4PCIPC In: connects to PC parallel port pin 2 (D0) for programming.
5VDD5-volt DC input/output: (Also called +5V) if an unregulated voltage
is applied to the VIN pin, then this pin will output 5 volts. If
no voltage is applied to the VIN pin, then a regulated voltage between
4.5V and 5.5V should be applied to this pin.
6RESApproximately 4.2 volts, causing the BASIC Stamp to reset. Can
be driven low to force a reset. This pin is internally pulled high
and may be left disconnected if not needed. Do not drive high.
7-14P0-P7General-purpose I/O pins: each can sink 25 mA and source 20mA. However,
the total of all pins should not exceed 50 mA (sink) and 40 mA (source).

[This message has been edited by jeffremiller (edited 07-03-2001).]

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bwhite1
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posted 07-04-2001 01:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bwhite1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bartman, an ACE has my undivided attention

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RobAGD
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posted 07-04-2001 01:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RobAGD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well as I recall the current board dont really support the BASIC stamps. There was a memory issue that intern left the code out to use it.

Support for the BASIC chip will go away on the next set of boards to be made.

-Robert

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jeffremiller
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posted 07-04-2001 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffremiller   Click Here to Email jeffremiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is depressing.

J_

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AGD
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posted 07-04-2001 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AGD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Guys,

Yes the pinouts were for the Basic Stamp but we put that on hold when it became apparent that the industry was going away from programable chips. Anti chop eye software is under development now and not worth you spending time on. At any rate the memory in the chip is almost full so you dont have much room to play with anyway.

AGD

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zads27
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posted 07-12-2001 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for zads27   Click Here to Email zads27     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone figure out how to get full auto, or higher rof? ;D

I don't need more than 16 bps, or even that high.. before and after games I just want to showoff what my warp fed E-Mag with intellifeed and all can really do.

Hey AGD, is the new Anti-chop eye the software to be incorporated with the new trap door feed, or is it a seperate thing?

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posted 07-12-2001 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for a person   Click Here to Email a person     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
zads27 you do not need full auto or a higher rate of fire! AGD didnt put these features in there because they know what is best. If you get full auto, there is no place where you can use it at since it is not allowed. If you get a higher rate of fire you risk a a way higher chance for chopping and you do not need to shoot faster than what the programmed rate of fire is at anyways.

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Miscue
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posted 07-12-2001 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Miscue   Click Here to Email Miscue     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't see what the big deal is with FA. You can't pace your shots very easily.

This is me with just my fingers... no burst mode, no F/A, no nothin... straight semi. I'd say a chimp could duplicate this.

http://www.liquidmagma.com/automags/13bps.wav

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jeffremiller
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posted 07-12-2001 09:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffremiller   Click Here to Email jeffremiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But I still have this burning desire to hack the code. I don't want F/A I don't really even need an ACE. I want other features!

Features that AGD probably wouldn't consider such as temperature, humidity, alarm and vibration for the shot counter and timer, possibly a bootup sound, programmable LED messages for team name or my name or something.

I know I've read that the alarm was being considered as well as a battery level indicator but It's not the same as doing it yourself.

Please, would AGD consider showing a few of us the code used? I called but the guy I talked to recommended that this is the place to post such questions. Any experimental load images, etc?

J_


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RobAGD
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posted 07-13-2001 01:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RobAGD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are no codes to hack, it's not an angel with codes liek NICKLES08 SILVER11 blah blah blah

There is no FA in the guns, the code ( meaning the program that allowed it ) was removes.

ROF might be tweakable as thats just a user set varable with a max setting limit.

-Robert

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Flamebo
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posted 07-13-2001 01:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Flamebo   Click Here to Email Flamebo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by RobAGD:
There are no codes to hack, it's not an angel with codes liek NICKLES08 SILVER11 blah blah blah

There is no FA in the guns, the code ( meaning the program that allowed it ) was removes.

ROF might be tweakable as thats just a user set varable with a max setting limit.

-Robert


I personally think that is the single coolest thing on the Angels. They kept it hush-hush for so long, and then it leaked out. Cool firing modes, it'd be nice to have a couple more options but unfortunatley because of the damned NPPL and their liability rules we have to lose what few options we have

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zads27
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posted 07-13-2001 03:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for zads27   Click Here to Email zads27     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah I know you can't use F/A in a game, nor do you need anything over 16bps which is already pretty ludicrously fast..

If you read my post more carefully, like I said I was just gonna use such a speed/mode for demos.

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posted 07-13-2001 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for a person   Click Here to Email a person     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh, my bad, i would have the urge to show off too if i had that yeah it is a bummer but just supress the urge, just get some anti smoking patches they should help, hopefully

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